Bell/Boeing V22 Osprey & consorts

pour moi, le V-22 est un peu petit. Un engin un peu plus gros aurrait tellement plus d'avantage à mes yeux mes bons, les ingénieur savent mieux que moi

Oui, mais vous connaissez tous l'adage en vogue…
"Plus c'est gros, plus c'est facile à toucher…"

Je suis un anti-Gringo en bas avec mon ZSU-23 Shilka, et je vais en faire du petit bois de votre joli V-machin…

Désolé, Nico…

Nighthawk00 a écrit

pour moi, le V-22 est un peu petit. Un engin un peu plus gros aurrait tellement plus d'avantage à mes yeux mes bons, les ingénieur savent mieux que moi

Ah oui ?

Et quels seraient ces prétendus avantages, hormis coûter plus cher, être moins performant, et être une grosse cible mobile ?

Le V22 Osprey est proportionné selon les désirs des militaires U.S

S'ils le voulaient plus gros, ils auraient fait part de leurs souhaits.

Et d'autre part, n'oublions pas le projet V44 Osprey

Ca peut toujours ressortir un jour ou l'autre, une fois que le V22 aura fait ses preuves.

Guns a écrit

mon ZSU-23 Shilka, et je vais en faire du petit bois de votre joli V-machin…

Désolé, Nico…

No comment

Etant donné tes états de service, je passe l'éponge

Tu te demandes certainement d'où vient toute cette haine, Nico…
Je ne voulais pas "froisser" ton bébé chéri, mais tu comprends bien que c'était juste pour démontrer aux "païens" que cela ne servirait à rien d'avoir un appareil qui masque même l'éclipse solaire. L'ennemi ferait un joli carton dessus, juste histoire de rigoler un peu…

P.S : C'est quoi ce V-44, connais pas et jamais entendu…

Ne t'inquiète pas Guns, la subtilité ne m'avait pas échappée

Le V44 ==>
ICI PHOTO

Projet sérieux, mais disons qu'on va encore attendre un peu avant de le voir en vol

Déjà le temps que les USA aient de l'argent, or le temps qu'il vont mettre à se rembourser des dépenses monstrueuses et du déficit encore plus monstrueux…

Oui… Bin, il est nettement moins beau que le -22…

C'est vrai, mais bon on ne conçoit pas ce genre d'engins pour faire beau, mais pour gagner sur le terrain…

Et avec les convertibles, c'est un atout majeur : vitesse, autonomie…

On aura surement l'occasion de le constater dans les années à venir dans les nombreux théâtres d'opération.

Hein, tu trouves ?
Sérieux, on dirait un G222 avec des ailes en moins, Sonny…

En tout cas, il est drôlement bien armé, le machin…

En effet, ça m'étonnerait qu'il soit blindé, l'engin… Pire, il est très gros.
Une rafale de 23 mm bien placée et une bonne vingtaine de "Boys" boufferont les pissenlits par la racine, Sonny.

Attendons déja que le V-22 ai fait ses preuves avant de parler du V-44. Vu les quelques problèmes du projet V-22 a sa conception, un truc encore plus lourd et avec quadruple rotor risque d'être a mon avis encorep lus compliqué a réaliser

MARINE CORPS AIR STATION NEW RIVER, N.C.(Aug. 8, 2006) – Two MV-22B “Ospreys,” belonging to Marine Tiltrotor Test and Evaluation Squadron 22, made history by completing the first-ever Tiltrotor Vertical Assault Aircraft trans-Atlantic flights Saturday, July 29. The “Ospreys” successfully flew from North Carolina to England and back.

"The MV-22's ability to make two trans-Atlantic flights within a three week period, and fly every day in Great Britain during that time period confirms its reliability,” said Col. Glenn M. Walters, VMX-22 commanding officer.

"The aircraft and aircrew performed above my expectations in accomplishing the most arduous portion of a self-deployment. This was the final event that demonstrated the full range of unique capabilities this aircraft will provide to our war fighters in the near future," he said.

The flight covered more than 4,000 miles, much of it over the North Atlantic, in challenging weather conditions. Both aircraft were conducting a self-deployment rehearsal in preparation for the “Osprey’s” operational deployment scheduled for next year. Over 40 Marines participated in the exercise, including pilots, aircrew and ground support personnel.

One of the Marines to pilot the trip was Maj. David L. Lane, an “Osprey” pilot since early 2004 and a Paris, Ark., native. Lane said it felt fantastic to pilot the mission and become a small part of history.

“Being a part of this mission was special and it felt great to have the commanding officer’s confidence placed in me to sign for the other aircraft,” said Lane.

An additional purpose of the rehearsal was for the Marine Corps to develop tactics, techniques and procedures for long-range, over-water movements of MV-22s. The “Ospreys” also participated in the Royal International Air Tattoo in Fairford and the Air Show at Farnborough, U.K.

While in England, the “Ospreys” flew a total of 17 flight events, all of which were executed on time. The “Osprey” was one of a handful of aircraft at Farnborough to have made all scheduled flight windows. These flights included distinguished visitor and media orientation flights involving short take-offs, tactical approaches to landing zones, hovering and a “jump” take-off. Additionally, it is estimated that 100,000 people viewed the aircraft on static display.

“The spectators in England were excited to see the ‘Osprey’ fly, and the flights were moved from one of the later slots in the air show to the main event,” said Lane.

The exercise began July 8 when three MV-22Bs from VMX-22 and three KC-130J “Hercules” aircraft from Marine Aerial Refueler Transport Squadron 252, based at Marine Corps Air Station Cherry Point, N.C., left the U.S. for Farnborough. After a stop in Goose Bay, Newfoundland, two MV-22Bs and two KC-130Js continued on to the U.K., while the other aircraft returned to North Carolina.

On July 25, all aircraft left the U.K. to redeploy back to North Carolina. All aircraft and crew safely returned home July 29.

This achievement helped to illustrate improved vertical lift capability for such concepts as Sea Basing and Distributed Operations, and greatly expands the reach and flexibility of Joint forces. VMX-22 and VMGR-252 also validated the “Osprey’s” long-range fuel system capability with the goal of supporting future “Osprey” deployments.

During VMX-22’s change-of-command ceremony, Lt. Gen. John Castellaw, deputy commandant of Marine Corps aviation, remarked on the success of the historic trans-Atlantic flight and how this brings the “Osprey” one giant step towards deployment sometime next year.

“This was a rehearsal to demonstrate the ‘Osprey’s’ capabilities and to learn lessons so when we do it again, for instance with (Marine Medium Tiltrotor Squadron-263) when it deploys next year, we’ll have already learned the basis to complete a similar flight,” said Castellaw.
http://www.usmc.mil/marinelink/mcn2000.nsf/0/61B7E66035CC723A852571C40057F72D?opendocument



j'aimerais voir si un hélico est capable de ça Laughing
A mon avis, l'Osprey (et ses succeseurs) sera un grand succes. Je pense que les CVFs britannique vont les utilisé comme avion de guêt, la France pour ses forces spéciales etc

Merci pour l'info Nighthawk Etant absent ces derniers jours, je ne l'avais pas vue.

Nighthawk00 a écrit

j'aimerais voir si un hélico est capable de ça Laughing
A mon avis, l'Osprey (et ses succeseurs) sera un grand succes. Je pense que les CVFs britannique vont les utilisé comme avion de guêt, la France pour ses forces spéciales etc

Oui, il semble qu'on soit enfin qu bout du tunnel

Dans un contexte instable, cet appareil sera un bon atout si sa fiabilité est confirmée.

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MARINE CORPS AIR STATION NEW RIVER, N.C.(Aug. 22, 2006) – Throughout the past two weeks, Marine Tiltrotor Test and Evaluation Squadron 22 has been testing the use of the M-240 as the primary offensive and defensive weapon of the MV-22 “Osprey,” an aircraft which has had no such capabilities up until now.

“Along with the ITV (Internally Transportable Vehicle) testing, VMX-22 has been validating the weapons system that we’re going to send out to the fleet when the ‘Osprey’ goes operational,” said Maj. Raymond M. White, VMX-22 director of safety and standardization.
There have been concerns of how and where the Marines were going to mount any type of weapon on the “Osprey” in the past, but over the past few weeks, those worries have been put at ease.

“There are unique challenges with the ‘Osprey’ and attaching a gun to it, because it’s not a CH-53 or a CH-46 and it has different fields of fire,” said White. “This new weapon is a pretty good solution and has thus far proved itself capable.”

Not only has it proved itself capable on the firing ranges at MCAS Cherry Point, but also with the veteran crew chiefs, like Staff Sgt. Theodore K. Mahiai, who were assigned to validate the M-240.

Mahiai, a former CH-46E “Sea Knight” crew chief and one of the first to fire from the “Osprey,” said there are still some small “kinks” to work out, but for the most part believes the new, rear-mounted weapons system will get the job done.

“The MV-22B is the wave of the future and by attaching the M-240 we’ll have one more way of doing our part to support the ground units,” said Mahiai.

By validating the rear-mounted weapons system, the “Osprey” takes one giant stride forward toward deployment in late 2007.

“This is a big step forward because until now we haven’t had a weapon on the aircraft,” said White. “It is something the ‘Osprey’ needs because without it, lives of Marines are put in jeopardy.”

http://www.marines.mil/marinelink/mcn2000.nsf/0/05B008E12EB389D4852571D200562D01?opendocument


Un Osprey armé

Très bonne nouvelle

Décidément, on progresse, on progresse

Le déploiement opérationnel prévu pour l'été 2007 n'est donc pas une hérésie

Retour sur le vol transatlantique des V-22 Osprey qui sont allés en Angleterre .

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MV-22 Ospreys complete trans-Atlantic flights to England, back
Friday Aug 04, 2006
MV-22 Ospreys complete trans-Atlantic flights to England, back
August 04,2006
CHRIS MAZZOLINI
FREEDOM ENC
One aircraft diverted to Iceland during test after engine problem

JACKSONVILLE — The pilots of the MV-22 Osprey won’t knock Charles Lindbergh from his perch atop aviation history, but then, they have very different goals.

After Lindbergh made the first trans-Atlantic flight in 1927, his triumphant journey was marked by celebration and ticker tape. Marine Corps Osprey pilots, who completed their own jaunt across the icy northern Atlantic and back last weekend, plan to make similar flights and then go to war.

The Osprey — the tilt-rotor aircraft the Marines are resting their aviation future on — won’t be released into the wilds of combat until sometime next year. But when it is, the fleet will receive a $71 million dollar aircraft touted “self deployable,” meaning crews can load the birds up and fly them straight into the fight. Refueling happens midair along the way.

“One of (the Osprey’s) unique capabilities is its range and speed,” said Lt. Gen. John G. Castellaw, the Marine Corps’ deputy commandant for aviation. “With the V-22, we can actually fly anywhere in the world.”

The recent trans-Atlantic flight was just one more test to prove the Osprey’s worth. The aircraft rests on shaky history, reaching a low point in 2000 with two fatal crashes, including one in Jacksonville that killed four Marines.

The 4,000-mile journey to England began at New River Air Station on July 8, when three Ospreys with Marine Tilt-rotor Operation Test and Evaluation Squadron 22 left for Goose Bay, Newfoundland. Then two of the Ospreys, accompanied by a pair of KC-130J Hercules refueling planes, took off for Farnborough, England, where the Ospreys were scheduled to perform at an air show.

The Osprey participated in two air shows while in England, flying a total of 17 events, according to a Marine Corps news release. The planes left England on July 25 and returned to New River on July 29.

Maj. David Lane, the aircraft commander of one of the Ospreys during the trek, called the flight “fantastic.”

“As a CH-46 pilot, I didn’t get a chance to fly at those altitudes,” said Lane, who has been flying the Osprey since early 2004 and has clocked 518 flight hours on the craft. “We got to see some cool places. I was amazed to see there was so much water between Canada and England.

“It’s fantastic to be that small piece of history.”

The flight did have some kinks. One of the Ospreys — not Lane’s — had a “compressor stall” on its right engine during the nine-hour flight to England. The aircraft diverted to Iceland, and the engine was replaced before it continued on.

Castellaw said aircraft diversions are nothing new, citing many of his own diversions into “a lot of farms and fields” when he was a CH-46 pilot at New River. Castellaw said part of the reason the bird made a pit stop in Iceland was because the ocean provides limited places to divert in an emergency. Also, if the situation would have been a “real-world” tactical mission, they could have continued, he said.

“In other circumstances, we would have continued to press,” he said.

The trans-Atlantic flight represented the swan song for Col. Glenn Walters as the commander of VMX-22, the squadron designated to put the Osprey through the wringers to investigate its capabilities and safety following the fatal accidents. Walters headed the squadron for three years, during which the Osprey passed its operational evaluation and was approved for full scale-production in September. He was replaced Thursday by Col. Keith W. Danel.

Walters said the trans-Atlantic flight was the “culmination” of his command. The Osprey, he said, is ready to bring its advanced capabilities to the battlefields of the future.

“It makes me feel like we have completely wrung out (this aircraft),” he said. “It’s very gratifying. It’s going to be a tremendous asset for the Marine Corps.”
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